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The question we all should be asking ourselves, has anyone disproved MPE ?
The answer is ” NO ” not in over 44 years. Read more
Most if not all economists have been taught a false doctrine in universities & schools where money creation is overlooked completely teaching unqualified assumptions as fact when they are indeed not fact if one looks at all the contributing factors at hand .
1) What does the promissory obligation or promissory note represent when the purported borrower issues it ? , known as a contractual obligation or to the average Joe the loan contract.
2) Contract essentials, when the essentials of contract law are violated.
Example 1, Example 2
If any of the essentials are missing the contract may be void, avoidable, unenforceable or illegal?
Having said that if a purported loan contract is void it means there is NO loan from a bank nor is there any debt owed to any bank 😉
6) Capacity – contracting parties which have legal capacity (eg they are not bankrupts, minors or subject to mental health law)
7) No other ground for legal issues or invalidity – uncertainty, mistake, fraud, misrepresentation, misleading representation, duress, undue influence, unconscionability, illegality, good faith, penalty, unenforceable restraint of trade etc. Sometimes these grounds are grouped under the heading “genuine consent“.
Mathematically Perfected Economy ( Contract Essentials )
Therefore the debate must start with the obligors or purported borrowers promissory obligation where certain questions have to be addressed first.
1) What consideration does the bank give up of its own upon the obligors promissory note or promissory obligation? ( Before any banking book entry )
2) How is interest created & then issued into circulation above the sum of principal to prevent circulatory deflation, upon a monumental scale, when its perpetually paid out of circulation upon all our very own personal, but private, debts to local banks?
Addressing these two simple questions establishes the true creditor who actually gives up property, gives up consideration ,likewise the obligor or purported borrower gives up their labour & production which is also deemed lawful consideration, however we have now, then, established the only entity or entities ” banks ” purposely intervene on our promissory obligations we have to each other, where banks are giving up no consideration of their own commensurable or equivalent to the falsified debt ” that ” banks ” impose on any purported borrower, thus the purported borrower or obligor is indeed the true issuer of new money ( principal only ) upon its very conception by issuing a promissory obligation & any money published thereafter, or a further representation of that promissory obligation the ” banks “ publish or prints thereafter is a purposed misrepresentation, evidencing the former contractual obligation or promissory obligation/ note the *alleged borrower* issues before any banking book entry.
Likewise having now established the bank doesn’t create money we can now determine the bank is merely pretending to loan any sum of principal only as if it was the banks principal to loan out in the beginning, consequently , then, keeping all payments, failing , then, to retire the principal, unjustly, then , as a further consequence, charging unwarranted interest, only, as if the ” banks ” risked or gave up principal consideration value of their own that would be otherwise commensurable or equal to the former contract or promissory obligation, interest I may add now, that hasn’t been created nor issued into circulation above its intended representation, EG: A house , clearly indicating any paid interest to ” banks ” above the sum of principal is perpetually depleting a general circulation that only ever consists of some remaining principal at the very most, making it mathematically impossible for everyone to pay down their * falsified debts * without a guaranteed default imposed upon an * alleged borrower * through NO fault of their own.
As a consequence of this criminal behavior by a monumental theft of vital circulation, by all banks ( no exceptions ), our political representatives are then multiplying our very own * falsified debt * into terminal sums of falsified debt by periodically borrowing further sums of national debt ( principal & interest ) that was originally paid out of a general circulation ( by one of us ) so as to perpetually re-inflate circulation over & over just enough to artificially sustain a vital circulation for all our industry & commerce, or whats left of our industry & commerce only just enough, then, so the ” banks ” can continue consolidating & dispossessing even further of our wealth public & private, on every cycle, keeping us, then, always in a state of shortage while all along we are robbed blind every Hour, every Minute & every Second of every Day.
NOTE: The very reason why MPE™ cant be implemented on a micro level in any community small or large is because it will result in competing with another local currency & if we exchange money or property with another competing currency that has an adverse volumetric disposition such as Interest for example logically we will inherit the other currencies volumetric impropriety simply by exchanging any money or property subject to that other currency.
MPE™ has to be done on a national level at the very least so we can keep the money at home for starters, if we are ever to compete or trade with another nations production & its currency . If we did implement MPE on a micro level we may well allow another currency to artificially manipulate MPEs 1.1.1 ratio or adversely effect the volume of circulation per represented property value making it impossible for everyone to pay down & retire the circulation without someone defaulting on there obligation through no fault of their own .
The idea of microeconomics or competing currencies fails at its core concept by not addressing the nations volume of circulation on a macro level & the act of exchanging money & property subject to artificial manipulation with another currency opens up the door for one currency adversely effecting another that wouldn’t otherwise have an adverse volumetric disposition.
Micro currencies competing within any nation is an epic fail of rudimentary logic & is stupid as stupid gets .
Mathematically Perfected Economy ( Debate Challenge )
Mike head to head below with Roger Hayes one of many plagiarists from the purported lawful bank in a heated debate, this is hot hot hot & a must to listen to for all the family folks.
Many Thanks to sovereign Garry at TNS radio for this opportunity.
Mike Montagne ( MPE™ ) ” Debate ” with Roger Hayes ( unlawful bank )
Just a few notes:
Let me be clear, no one is renting in MPE, nor do homes appreciate in price, there are no bureaucrats who dictate the value of your labour & production you give up & receive from each other, not the CMI , not any politician & most certainly not any thieving bank who artificially inflates prices on falsified debts, you only pay for what you consume in MPE & that is rightfully retired at your choice of consumption.
NOW YOU CAN PAY DOWN YOUR HOME SOONER IN MPE OWNING IT OUTRIGHT IF YOU WANT?
For example If you bought a * NEW * house in a Mathematically Perfected Economy™ for $100,000, with a projected life span of a 100 years consumption based on its value a builder gives it, or subsequent additional consumption value a seller may give that house over its lifespan , based then , on quality of materials, design , quality of workmanship etc , & you then, paid down $100,000 sooner over 50 years rather than the projected 100 years the CMI will still retire the $50,000 you already paid in advance ( still in your account otherwise as savings, NOT STOLEN BY A BANK ) as you consume the remaining life span of the house you purchased still adhering to MPEs 1.1.1 ratio. ,respectively equal to remaining debt obligation, remaining value of the house & remaining money in circulation.
So If one Pays down $2,000 instead of $1,000 a year on a $100,000 home with a lifespan of 100 years you consequently then own that house in 50 years instead of 100 years , likewise if you pay down $5,000 a year you own that home out right in 20 years , again if you pay down $10,000 a year you will own that home outright in 10 years, keeping in mind whatever you pay above your consumption stays in your own savings account ( ITS NOT STOLEN BY A THIEVING BANK ) & you see it being rightfully retired as you consume the remainder of the house & at any stage for any unforeseen circumstance you need do draw on that money you paid in advance sitting in your own account you can.
However If one did choose to pay down their obligation faster one wouldn’t have that extra money one otherwise would have to spend on other things such as holidays or a business, expanding business, employing more people , paying more to employees etc , the list is endless.
MPE ( Who decides the ” rate ” of depreciation )
Its Not rocket science, ” interest exists” today when its borrowed back as national debt to re inflate circulation which always comprises of the principal & the interest that was paid out of a general circulation that only ever consists of some remaining principal at most which multiplies falsified debt into terminal sums of falsified debt.
By the very definition of the word * exist * is not to say interest doesn’t exist because it does exist as a sum of principal?. Indeed earned profit from the out set of any Promissory obligation is not a sum of interest at all , its always a sum of principal, interest can only exist as a sum of principal , to deny the existence of interest & the principal borrowed back to * persist * as a multiplication of artificial debt upon reflation is not only denying the existence of a multiplication of debt but its also to deny the existence of the banks 2nd crime where a sum of principal is stolen in the form of unwarranted interest on a falsified debt, likewise to infer principal only exists is to also deny interest exists as sum of principal paid out of circulation on a falsified debt.
Interest may not be created but certainly does exists as a further or consequent theft of principal, so to suggest interest doesn’t exist is to deny a crime has taken place where paid interest to a local bank, the banks 2nd crime, is only a result of the banks 1st crime pretending to loan you the sum of principal which is a former theft of principal before the 2nd crime of charged interest & indeed before any banking book entry disguised then as an ” alleged loan “ when the obligor ( not the borrower ) issues a promissory note , therefore the bank only ” allegedly loans “ you the principal that you created only as IF it was the banks principal to loan out to begin with, which only ever issues a sum of principal into circulation from the outset regardless?.
Therefore we have now established the banks first two crimes.
1) The local bank steals a sum of principal an * alleged borrower * creates by purposefully obfuscating the obligors promissory obligation, before the banking book entry, pretending, then, to loan principal only as if it was the banks principal value to loan out in the beginning.
2) As a result the bank, then, steals a further sum of principal by charging unwarranted interest on what is a *falsified debt* only as if the bank gave up or risked consideration of its own commensurable or equal to the *alleged loan* or debt it falsifies to itself.
I therefore challenge * anyone * even mainstream academia in economics or law to debate on TNS radio, contact me here , anything else is taken as clear evasion of fact.
PS : If anyone genuinely believes they have poof MPE is flawed I logically expect one to take up my already 2 year old debate challenge ( see the video above ) & contact me personally, either here in the comments below on ” this blog ” or by email with such purported proof in writing first , so I at least have something to prepare & work with , now if one cant grant me this simple request it will be taken one is not serious in their intent to formally debate at all , but may have other motives at hand ” personal or otherwise ” that might or may just take precedence over any rational debate .
What about consumables in a Mathematically Perfected Economy?
If I buy apples from a farmer to sell in my shop I may issue a promissory obligation to purchase those apples that pays the farmer for his labour & production which can pay down the farmers promissory obligation plus any earned profit, I sell those apples in my shop giving up my labour & production which can pay down my promissory obligation plus any earned profit from the sale. When someone pays me for those apples in my shop they have given up their labor & production & when they eat those apples the apples no longer represent value therefore the money created to put the apple on your table is retired by the farmer & myself the shop keeper . Any profit spent by the farmer or myself circulates further & likewise its earned by someone else to be retired on their promissory obligation. Either way here we are giving up an equal representation of wealth to each other upon the creation or exchange that issued new money into circulation thus the remainder of circulation is always sufficient to service any outstanding obligation or debt which always equals the remaining property value, where in this case example, the money created to produce the apples is almost retired immediately upon the sale of those apples either by the farmer & or myself the shopkeeper. However earned entitlement or profit / savings circulates further to be retired on someone else’s promissory obligation. Keeping in mind here if I the shop keeper give my earned profit or entitlement away even to a homeless man on the street & get nothing in return its my loss & my loss alone where that money I gave away simply circulates further regardless as the homeless man spends it wherever & its retired eventually on someone else’s promissory obligation.
If I the shopkeeper conspired with the farmer for some reason & I managed to issue a promissory obligation above what those apples are worth ( which would be extremely difficult to do because the CMI knows how much it costs the farmer to produce those apples ) I am therefore doing two or possibly three things here .
1) I would have to increase my prices or the price of my apples in my shop so as to have the ability to actually pay down my obligation therefore I would be cutting my own throat because my competitors who are not intellectually disabled or not criminals would be selling their apples cheaper.
2) I would be still left paying down a promissory obligation or the debt above what the apples are actually worth regardless so I’m giving away my labor & production away for free to the farmer & its my loss & my loss alone that’s if my customers go else where to buy their apples.
3 ) I then take the risk of being charged with treason for attempting to falsify a debt above its represented value therefore there is a strong possibility ,if found guilty, I would face the death penalty or life imprisonment.
” Monopolies in MPE therefore would be extremely difficult to achieve , impossible if you are dishonest or a fool blinded by greed & the reason why is because all our industry & commerce we have between each other wont be impeded in anyway or wont be subject to banking exploitation from the get go, thus industry & commerce in MPE will be competing in a true free enterprise market, something I must stress here we have neither had nor has a free market existed on this earth & nor will a free market exist while the banks purposely intervene on our contracts obfuscating our promissory obligations we actually have to each other.”
If someone was paid for a service (falsely) then they could spend that into the economy. Whilst the other person falsifying it, who paid out, would not have to show it on his accounts even thou he accrued his account from “brand new property or new production thats fully redeemable”.
You cant issue a promissory obligation for nothing of value in MPE period mate , its called theft , fraud & treason & cant be done in MPE anyhow , even if you did your paying down a debt for receiving nothing ? Its stupid as stupid gets to even suggest this epic fail of logic because again your left paying down circulation or a debt for something you didn’t receive , I have already addressed this several times in great detail ?
If some one is paid for doing nothing, he who pays him is ripping him self off regardless giving his own labor & production away for free which he cant issue a Promissory Obligation ( money creation ) in doing so. for the last time mate if you want to give your money away in MPE it has to come out of your own savings that you earnd from someone else’s promissory obligation at some stage in the past that issued new money into circulation? either way what you pay from your savings for receiving nothing circulates further & then it logically spent only then to be logically earned & logically retired on someone else’s Promissory obligation . Even if you give your money away in MPE there will always be the exact amount of remaining money left in circulation that equals the remaining debt & remaining property value so all debts can be serviced without multiplying debt.
Anyone who pays down circulation indeed does have to show it on his account at the CMI otherwise logic tells us he hasn’t paid down circulation or paid his debt down so it can be rightfully retired ? To suggest otherwise is only demonstrating willful blind ignorance mate?
No promissory obligation can be issued via the CMI by one of us unless its collateralized FIRST which means it has to represent property or something of tangible value first. The CMI records all transactions regarding yours or anyone else’s personal account that go in & out through the CMI & likewise records any promissory obligation issued where one has to prove their credit worthy first to even issue a promissory obligation regardless. The CMI sees you or anyone else as intellectually disabled if you indeed think you or anyone else can falsify debts to yourselves in MPE.
May I suggest rather than making a complete & utter fool of yourself in a debate start studying MPE & asking logical questions rather than making absurd assumptions that don’t even make rudimentary logic. That is why I made this blog so even the layman’s out there can teach themselves MPE so as to be able to have the ability to ask questions of any uncertainty or logic, rather than making preposterous absurd unqualified assumptions like the rest of the pretenders out there who only confuse & divide humanity further with their very own willful blind ignorance advocating then something to be true when its clearly not.
Ok, so with the MPE (trade mark) people can’t provide services for others in transactions?
Also If when falsifying their accounts on new production and if they were consumables (and were consumed; as a pretence), how would the MPE prove other wise of false accounting?
So if its for (fully redeemable; new property or new production) only. Would that not leave out many important things that people would like to trade with a medium of exchange? Such as food types for instance that are not all exclusive to one small area so some trade would be needed for that.
Preposterous ? people can provide services for others in transaction only they cant issue new money into circulation that represents nothing of value . All money including the Creation of money upon new production by issuing a promissory obligation represents our labor & production mate , we give up our labor to produce a product where the cost of that labor is incorporated in the sale of that product , again your not reading what I have already written making further preposterous unqualified assumptions , moreover no one is falsifying their accounts in the CMI if their living breathing human beings , in other words dead people or ghosts cant have an account in MPE ?
The promissory obligation is issued upon new represented property & anything second hand one can likewise issue a promissory obligation to like wise pay down the remainder of the debt or remaining consumption .
To be honest mate if you actually took the time to read or study this blog you will find I have already dismissed your preposterous assertions .
So when can we schedule you for a debate on TNS radio ?
“If you had a honest business competing against another that you suspected or had reason to believe was committing these crimes you suggest to get an unfair advantage over your business would you not report this crime to the police who would be working for the people in MPE likewise the media?”
No, I believe we all have the right to arrest and fair trial for crimes (something which is not the case at the moment,as people have given their rights away). But even so as is, how could it be verified that their was discrepancy in the accounting with the MPE (trade mark).
I do know there are solutions to the issuance of credit etc, but was wondering what the MPE (trade mark) solutions were.
Any two people could back each other up with falsified accounts of work and/or services not really done. Which would take ages in transactions (daily transactions too) to see if their accounts were true and in many cases near impossibly to verify (So how could this be proven?).
Thus, what consideration is there to value of those people (group; so its fair to all those in that group as a whole) who use the MPE (trade mark) as their medium of exchange?
I agree a fair trial in a peoples court will result in a verdict of treason if the evidence is there ,as for the latter part of your comment I have already addressed ? Now if you think you can refute it may I suggest we schedule a debate on TNS radio to put your preposterous unqualified assumptions to rest here ?
Ok then a debate on TNS radio so then those that (or say they don’t) don’t understand the MPE (trade mark) will have a clearer understanding.
Contact me via the contacts on the menu , I first need your real name then you need to add me to your skype contacts likewise I will be recording the debate to put up on this blog & youtube 😉
Looking forward from hearing from you 😉
No, any two people could back each other up with falsified accounts of work and/or services not really done. Which would take ages in transactions (daily transactions too) to see if their accounts were true and in many cases near impossibly to verify.
Thus, what consideration is there to value of those people (group; so its fair to all those in that group as a whole) who use the MPE (trade mark) as their medium of exchange?
I’m sorry mate even If 2 people work together to do as you assume they still cant issue new money or a promissory obligation for nothing of value? Again New money is only issued into circulation upon the sale of brand new property or new production that’s fully redeemable either way here if one defaults , in other words as I have already exhaustively explained if you care to read what I have already written the 2 individuals here that you merely assume are adversely effecting the remaining volume of circulation are indeed not because they have to prove to the CMI they own an asset risking then property of value of their own that they own outright to use as collateral (CONSIDERATION) to back any further obligation used to pay labour . Now If they did purchase any new property off each other that’s non existent ( which they cant do without proof it exists first ) they would be cutting their own throats again regardless simply because they will be left paying down that circulation or the debt , if they don’t pay down that obligation or skip town together they will have a warrant out for their arrest mate & if caught they would be charged with theft & held for treason . Again what your suggesting is ludicrous & simply cant happen & for any reason if it did happen all those involved will go down for treason.
Would not the result be that the persons issuing this false credit to their self’s, be that they would have an advantage over others like with the present issuing banks do (those people who benefit from that banking practice)
If an employer had imaginary employees on his books those imaginary employees would have to be identified as real people by the CMI so money can be paid into their account Right ?, Let me be clear it will be More than likely business’s in MPE will be paying employees wages out of their profit margin where most if not all business’s are not issuing a promissory obligation ( money creation ) upon new represented property that issues new money into circulation to pay wages however they may to buy materials or machinery etc to build a product or even expand business that all has redeemable value, so if in the unlikely case a business fails due to incompetence its assets are fully redeemable for their remaining value with no adverse effect on the remaining money available left in circulation to service any outstanding debts to be rightfully retired, it will be someone else who issues a promissory obligation where principal is issued & likewise circulates & spent resulting in earned profit or savings so someone else can pay down their obligation or resulting in a earned profit for a business so a business can pay either wages or pay down their own obligations , so no credit is created for wages however if you were starting a new business there is an exception that is if you needed the capital to pay employees wages before your profit margin is sufficient in volume to pay employees wages, you as an employer, would have to put up something redeemable of value of your own that you already owned as collateral to issue a promissory obligation that represents the value for the labour or wages you pay to begin a business ( all promissory obligations are collateralized or redeemable in property so you cant issue a promissory obligation for nothing of value or above the remaining consumption or value of redeemable property ) so it serves no purpose for an employer to have imaginary people on his books, again logically the employer will be cutting his own throat anyway by letting his competitors under cut his inflated price that reflects those excess imaginary wages in the price of the finished product.
But lets just say a business managed to issue a promissory obligation for nothing of value as you assume to pay wages into the accounts of real people at the CMI who don’t work or don’t risk anything of value of their own, ( WHICH WONT HAPPEN ) as I have already indicated this would be treason according to the united peoples mandate which will be an act of law in any nation who adopts MPE so those imaginary employees likewise the owner or owners of that business who commit this type of crime can be & would be identified by the CMI if caught & will be held for high treason . In other words its the highest crime one could commit in any nation who adopted MPE . Treason in most nations today is either the death penalty or life in prison.
Today we have thieves & criminals who run nations that don’t get charged for treason so those who attempt to give themselves an unfair advantage your inferring would not only be taking the risk of going out of business by other competitors competing against them in MPE they would be risking the death penalty or life in prison .
The question I ask you then , If you had a honest business competing against another that you suspected or had reason to believe was committing these crimes you suggest to get an unfair advantage over your business would you not report this crime to the police or media who would be working for the people in MPE? If the answer is no I suspect you would likewise take the chance of being held for accessory to theft & likewise held for treason.
Either way here the scenario your suggesting just wont happen & if it does its suicide for anyone with half a brain running a business in MPE , its as simple as that my friend.
With the MPE (trade mark): how do you stop people falsifying there account. They could invent work not really done or no real goods exchanged and then claim work or goods on that falsified account and would take ages in transactions to see if their accounts were true and in many cases near impossibly to verify. I do know there are solutions to this, but was wondering what the MPE (trade mark) solution to this problem is.
I have to stress here MPE will be a true free enterprise market where the cost of production is unimpeded by regulation , banking intervention / exploitation which can only be a good thing for the employer & employee right?
Q: What would be the final result if an employer had imaginary employees on his books ( who gave up nothing of their own ) to produce an item that can only unnecessarily increase the cost of his final product?
A: The result would be cutting his own throat of course where his competitor who doesn’t have imaginary employees on his books will ultimately take his business & customers.
However in MPE you can give your labour & production away if you want but you cant issue a promissory obligation ( money creation ) that represents no value in doing so , in other words if you pay more for something it has to come out of your own pocket or your earned savings / earned profit ( which is the result of someone else’s promissory obligation ) which will only circulate further unimpeded & likewise be earned by someone else to be eventually retired on their promissory obligation.
If you have an account in the CMI you have to be identified as a real person so there are no fake accounts or money laundering accounts in the CMI. If you attempt to subvert the CMI in any way or the remaining volume of circulation quite possibly you will be charged with not only theft but treason which is outlined in the United peoples mandate.
Thank you for your question Andrew , any further questions of uncertainty please by all means don’t hesitate to ask.